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Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 547	Posted - 2014.06.05 23:26:00 - [1] - Quote Will CCP be issuing a statement about the accusations leveled against it by some departing and departed staff in the gaming media? Or at least allow us a thread to discuss it without said thread being locked as 'rumor' no matter that it's being reported in the media as 'fact'?
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 547	Posted - 2014.06.06 01:59:00 - [2] - Quote RaZZZZia wrote: CCP should aquire a popcorn factory then. I'd definitely recommend getting their PR manager into gear. CCP is taking a beating in the press atm due to their ex employees spilling beans all over.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 547	Posted - 2014.06.06 11:04:00 - [3] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: You can keep that post as an example of denialism. I've since changed my mind about this whole thing. I'm pretty upset about it. I think it may be safe to assume that the June Financials will be very bad. I'd also like apologies, or isk, from those you you who said I was off my rocker about how things were going at CCP. A lot of you mocked me, but I think that this latest round of layoffs shows that I most likely nailed it on the head when I called it back in April.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 547	Posted - 2014.06.06 11:16:00 - [4] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP can still sell WoD IP. That's probably what they're going to do. That might turn them around for the End of Year, assuming they find a buyer, but WoD isn't what it used to be, and even very profitable IPs don't always carry big pricetags, particularly if they know you're in trouble and can just wait to pick up the rights in bankruptcy for a song. It's what Sega did with THQ. They bought Relics entire portfolio for 20m. Fantasy Flight Games, of the currently alive TT game companies, would be my bet, and frankly their bid would be low.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 547	Posted - 2014.06.06 12:02:00 - [5] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: We are not privi to info available to those that make decisions so stop pretending you know what is a good for a company based on 2nd, 3rd or even 4th hand info.. Point of fact, you can read the investor reports and six month financials and get the info first hand.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.06 22:55:00 - [6] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Re the Guardian I agree, it's not entirely reliable. Add that article to company direction and other reports though and it doesn't look good overall.. Wait, hold on.... goons and Marsha are now agreeing with my appraisal of the situation? Did I just plunge into the Twilight Zone? Worse, is Dinsdale now controlling the Transmission? Ok, those of you who are talking about how much 'hate' is going on here.... a month or so back, since I don't recognize most off you, I pointed out that CCP's financial situation must be pretty bad, and cited a large number of reasons, and my conclusion was that most likely subs were down in a significant manner. That has yet to be proven or not, but something clearly has impacted CCP in a very large way, financially. Many of the 'haters' you see posting here decried me as a lunatic moron traitor doomsayer, compared me with Dinsdale and that I clearly hated eve etc etc etc. Now you watch as they eat crow and admit that maybe there is something to this. Perhaps that should tell you how dire things actually look to be.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.06 23:39:00 - [7] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Maybe you should stop being such a fascist and address the arguments people make, rather than pidgeonhole them into whatever value you've assigned to the inferior beings. I don't care about your affiliation, the only time I reference it is to take the ***. The fact you spout hysterical gibberish 90% of the time you post doesn't mean I'm incapable of assessing your argument fairly. That's your problem, not mine, self appointed 'lunatic moron traitor doomsayer'. Also, I quite fancy Dinsdale. Esp the way he comes out of the paddock at full speed raging at people, and runs right up to them and froths. Then trots away. It's very manly. I expect you all to be a bit dim, but muscular. But I'm just like that. You're just an attention grinder, there's no substance behind your warbling, sorry. Marsha, I might point out that, for being the 'fascist' I'm not the one foaming at the mouth and screaming incoherently about 'inferior beings'. And, again, if you ever take the time to, as Tippia occasionally does, actually address any of what I say, rather than rabidly attacking me, personally, I might think you capable of 'addressing my argument fairly'. As far as 'addressing the arguments people make', as I believe someone told Tippia recently, 'if you projected any harder, Samsung might just have to trademark you'. If it pisses you off this badly to admit that I may have been right,.... shrug*
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.07 00:01:00 - [8] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Thanks for the condescending remarks. I think this is an inappropriate place to warble on about your intellectual superiority and pre-cog powers. 49 people just lost their jobs. There are others attached to that, including the remaining team. But let's all stop for a minute and talk about you and how clever you are. You're dead right about a rabid attack. You earned it. I pointed it out, and you thoughtfully underlined it, that we both agreed on this underlines how bad, and how glaringly obvious it's become. Some of our fine posters were thoughtfully calling you and several other posters some of the exact same things you and said posters had said about me in the past for pointing out the same exact things. Normally I'd have set up a separate thread for this, but ISD has made it plain that there is to be no other discussion of this subject (or anything related to it even in the most vague and tangential way) outside this thread, period. Is it bad that they lost their jobs? Hell yes. But are we in this forum going to do a thing about it other than offer our condolences? That is the question, is it not?
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.07 15:15:00 - [9] - Quote Tippia wrote: Remember how I explaiend to you that your best course of action was to provide sources and data, and to not rely on fallacies? On learning this, you picked a path that relies on unsupported claims and fallacies. Now, I just have to ask: did this strategy really sound like a good idea when you laid it out for yourself? Tippia, as someone who's argued data with you, you just argue that the data is wrong, or that I'm misrepresenting/interpreting it and that down is really up, and fewer is actually more. Some of the mental gymnastics you have preformed are gold medal worthy, and the mathematical distortion worthy of a Hollywood Accountant.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.07 15:24:00 - [10] - Quote Deltarus Shadowflight wrote: Any way, like I said, this is just from what I have done with a little bit of research. I was worried that things where going slow for CCP and the media that does cover this stuff seems to like pointing readers in the wrong direction on speculation as well. Stop guessing and start reading. Stay informed and make decisions on that information, not the speculation of snippet information or others random flying comments. Page 6 CCP Games Financial Statement Dec 31 2013 Page 43 in reference to obligation to stakeholders [url=http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47392/ccp%206%20month%20update%20september%2023%202013.pdf[/url] I actually recommend page 5 on that one where CCP takes a 21m loss for the year. The one you actually want is the six month financials that end in June. We then compare them to the same ones this year when they're released. That gives us our 'same period' comparison between this year and last.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.07 15:39:00 - [11] - Quote Tippia wrote: Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Tippia, as someone who's argued data with you, you just argue that the data is wrong, or that I'm misrepresenting/interpreting it and that down is really up, and fewer is actually more. GÇªall of which I could actually prove by pointing to the data. In particular, your fondness for arguing population movements by selecting a very small portion and ignoring the larger trend was a very obvious and gross misrepresentation and/or misinterpretation of that data. Tippia, your argument was that the average weekly server population was less important than the weekend server population. While, if we were looking strictly at weekend to weekend, you're right, but we're looking at several months to see if overall player participation is increasing or decreasing. By your own admission, you were filtering in a way that dismissed entire play styles as being irrelevant to the overall player population. I'll grant that average server pop gets some anomalies, but frankly anything that ignores playstyles that tend to have activity spikes (say, PvP or Incursions?) does not represent real server activity, but rather your preconceived notion of what server activity SHOULD be. I grant that an average also mutes those a bit, but it does include them. I'm not faulting your data collection, I'm faulting your analysis methodology.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.07 15:59:00 - [12] - Quote Deltarus Shadowflight wrote: If they hadn't added $40 million extra to that years budget for R&D they would have been $19 million in the black... as I said, they need to get cash coming in till they finish these projects. It' was not so much that as they're being overly optimistic about income growth. I suspect that they thought they'ed get more out of licensing to Tian City. The problem is that all of this data explains the layoffs that had happened early in the year, logically losing enough people that predicted income would be greater than outlays. Since they suddenly let go a bunch right near the end of the 6 months, I suspect that income again fell short, possibly caused by a decline in subs. The last is just my theory, and we won't know for certain until the 6 month comes out. Tippia wrote: No, not that either. That was just something you assumed. I filtered the data to get comparable data points. Would you like to venture a guess what happens if you pick a different (still comparable) set of data points? One, that's exactly what you said you did. You did noise filtering to eliminate major activity spikes. As I pointed out at the time, that's also going to filter out things like Incursions, big fleet fights, etc. Two, the average server population for a week are comparable datapoints between weeks, when we're talking about several months worth of data. Using that average is the best way to get a picture of the overall activity trend for a period of six months or more. Tell you what, do a set for the average activity from the work week, and one for the weekends, and then compare the two.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.07 16:06:00 - [13] - Quote (double post)
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 548	Posted - 2014.06.07 20:20:00 - [14] - Quote Deltarus Shadowflight wrote: In that case, if you read a little bit more .... Financial Report 2012 "EVE Online ended the year with approximately 490,000" Financial Report 2013 "EVE Online celebrated its 10th anniversary in May and ended the year with over 500,000 subscribers" The information is there, no one has to play guess/speculate game if you want to spend the time looking for officially released information. Admittedly, this doesn't prove they kept or paid for these subscription. What we'd need is the 2013 and 2014 information. Further, as the investor papers state, in 2013 they started also including the Chinese server subs with the sub count, even though CCP only gets the licensing fee from Tian City for those subs. So a 10k boost in subs is actually pretty lousy considering previously they didn't count an entire server. Between 12 and 13 subs and in game sales did increase (by 8m dollars) and saleries for 'R&D' only increased by 6m dollars, with a net gain of about 50 people. So their 'R&D' losses mostly came from sources besides manpower.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 550	Posted - 2014.06.07 20:54:00 - [15] - Quote Pine Marten wrote: Im a little worried now. Not so much as to the layoff's but CCP having to start counting the subs on the chinese eve server to show an increase in subs. Is eve dying? That has yet to be seen. A lot of pixels have been spilled on this subject, but 'dying' is, as of yet, a bit strong a word. I would say that it's growth has slowed and we may see a decline in subs. but even a drop does not equate 'dying'.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 550	Posted - 2014.06.08 00:39:00 - [16] - Quote Regnag Leppod wrote: Marsha Mallow wrote: I'm not sure why anyone would genuinely want that demographic to go berserk and start quitting. Hello? Are we even playing the same game here? Let's start with the two most basic reasons that the majority would list 1. tears 2. lulz The founding principal of Goonswarm in it's earliest days. Fortunately, most of them realized that, properly maintained, Eve is a source of infinite amounts of those.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 550	Posted - 2014.06.09 23:11:00 - [17] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: It should be pretty clear from this why he left though. It's pretty apparent that he left because it provided better opportunities than a gaming company could provide, not because CCP was struggling. My money is six of one, half dozen of hte other. IIRC a bunch also dodged the layoffs by landing jobs at Riot. around the same time, so the good doctor may have been angling for a better position elsewhere as well. James Amril-Kesh wrote: I'm pretty sure that if someone leaves a position at a company, someone is hired or moved to fill that position. I seriously doubt CCP went "oh, I guess new players probably don't matter." I don't disagree, but from what we're seeing, my money is on they doubled up someone else, rather than move them, giving someone the good doctors duties as well as their own until things improve enough to hire a replacement. I doubt they completely discarded it, but it's probably in the hands of someone who's more than a tad overworked with other issues atm, given the reductions in workforce.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 550	Posted - 2014.06.14 12:50:00 - [18] - Quote Pine Marten wrote: Id really love a link. He provided a bunch earlier, but ISD may have deleted them.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 550	Posted - 2014.06.15 23:56:00 - [19] - Quote Just a reminder, this is all speculation until June's new financials. But I have the feeling this thread, or one like it, will double in size in the first 24.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 550	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:41:00 - [20] - Quote Domina Trix wrote: Arguing about whether or not a Valkyrie is a sim or a FPS? does it really matter ? Because until the 6 month financials come out everyone is just speculating. Speculating leads to shitposting, shitposting leads to trolling, trolling leads to thread lock.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 550	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:35:00 - [21] - Quote Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote: Well, in some corporate offices, spending 21 million dollars to develop a videogame 3 times in 7 years and end up releasing nothing and firing everyone who ever touched it would be deemed "mismanagment"... In the Casino industry it only takes $3 million.

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